I understand Trump's position, rationale and response. I do wish it didn't happen, but the bell cannot be unrung. Zelenskyy's actions were deliberate and foolish. His position is not aligned with the US administration, and he chose the worst time to try and make them move. This isn't the first time for Zelenskyy making this mistake, either. He is a hero for how he has brought Ukraine together in a fight for their survival, but he's terrible overseas and the move to replace him in Ukraine is probably on in certain circles. I don't think Vance said anything wrong regarding 'diplomacy,' but I think he showed his inexperience in his response to Zelenskyy and then again in his comments about 'saying thank you.' People may be too afraid to say that part out loud, but I think this was a miss for Vance. He's better than this, and more agile. He just wasn't in the meeting.
Zelenskyy's question about diplomacy - considering all the deals signed with Putin and all the deal broken by Putin - is a legitimate one. Its presentation, in that setting, was destined to fail. And that is Zelenskyy's fault.
The idea that Trump is a Putin puppet or Russian agent is just daft. Its ignorance and TDS, and the hatred of him is pure tribalism just like the love of anything he says or does, no matter what, is the same.
Trump came to the table. He wanted - and still wants - the mineral rights deal. A deal that, Defacto, makes Ukraine a protectorate of the United States. But all politics are local, and he wasn't going to let anyone tell him what will happen to the US (much less to be told in the Oval Office! Trump understands perfectly the power it projects, and to be lectured to in the Oval is to diminish his and American power. That's a non-starter.) To belittle Zelenskyy - a guy who doesn't speak English as his first language and is desperate for security guarantees because his country has lost a million people due to Putin's war - isn't good. It's not. We should say so. But asking him not to respond in that setting is simply irrational.
This brings us to, "What the hell was Zelenskyy doing, and what the hell does he want?" What he wants is for the US to put troops on the ground in Ukraine, permanently. Again, the mineral rights deal would have given him some of the safety he wanted. But Trump ran on "no more forever wars," and Zelenskyy must know this. Asking him to go against his campaign promises, via a scolding, was a nutty thing to do. Guaranteed failure for Zelenskyy. And Zelenskyy's appearance later that day with Bret Baier on FOX News did not help him at all.
And if Zelenskyy was indeed ginned up by Democrats to dismiss this deal, then Democrats should be blamed for giving god-awful advice to Ukraine.
Zelenskyy has been stalling on signing a mineral rights agreement, which would be the pre-curser to a peace deal. Why? Does he want the war to go on? Well, maybe he thinks the Russians are in worse shape than he is. Maybe he thinks Putin has been so bloodied over these last three years that now the Russian people might be thinking this war is a lost cause. Word on the street says Putin will now begin looking to Moscow and St. Petersburg for conscripts; that's not going to be popular with the populations that live there. All politics are local (see, Trump's response to Zelenskyy in the Oval.) And Putin having to force residents of Moscow to fight in the Donbas is not going to be taken well.
Perhaps the stall from Zelenskyy is about finding a better deal and a bigger buyer. Have there been any moves from China? Will there be?
It is my current take that the Rules of Trumpism are still alive here. First Rule of Trumpism - Trump wins. Second Rule of Trumpism - A deal can always be made as long as it adheres to the First Rule of Trumpism. A deal can still happen, and a peace can still be reached. How long a peace lasts is never known, and no one should trust Putin. Ever.
The UK says they'll put troops on the ground, but now caveat that by saying they need America, too. Europe's survival against Russia means they need to pay up and put up. Perhaps they will. But they know without US backing their options are limited.
Finally, lost in all of this is the reality that this is not about Zelenskyy or Trump. This is about the people of Ukraine who are being massacred and the guy doing the massacring: Vladimir Putin. Forget about Zelenskyy. We should help the people of Ukraine. They don't deserve what is happening to them.
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